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Post by Rita on Jun 20, 2007 5:47:37 GMT -6
Hi everyone... This is my first year growing Veggies... I studied alot on line in order to plant in the correct order.. Tomatoes near Garlic away from corn Corn next to cucumbers and such.. Does anyone have any good layouts for companion planting And I know you have to rotate corn and just found out about the garlic as well But in what order or phashion should I move all of these...
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Post by jacobtowne on Jun 20, 2007 7:19:28 GMT -6
Rita: I can't help with companion planting. Crop rotation is usually based upon families or groups of related plants, as follows:
APIACEAE (Parsleys) Carrot, celery, parsley, parsley root, parsnip, celeriac.
ASTERACEAE Artichoke, chicory, endive, escarole, lettuce, dandelion, radicchio.
BRASSICAS All cabbage or cole crops and related - cabbage, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, oriental cabbages such as mizuna, tatsoi, and bak choy, kale, kohlrabi, cauliflower, radish, arugula, cress, mustard, rutabaga, watercress.
CHENOPODS Beet, spinach, orach, Swiss chard.
CUCURBITAS Cucumber, winter and summer squash, melon, pumpkin.
FABACEAE Beans, peas.
LILIACEAE (lily family) Onion, leek, asparagus, garlic.
POACEAE (corn) Corn is in its own family, and according to Coleman can be grown almost anywhere with enough compost.
POLYGONACEAE Sorrel
PORTULACACEA Claytonia, purslane
SOLANACEAE (Nightshades) Tomato, eggplant, pepper, potato.
TETRAGOGONACEA New Zealand spinach
(Edit Feb. 20th, 2008). Two-year rotation is good, three-year is better, and four-year is best. In my cole bed this year (2007) I'm raising bak choy, white and red cabbage, broccoli, and Brussels sprouts. With three-year rotation, which is the best I can do given the size of the garden, no cole crops will be planted in this bed for the next two years, or until 2010 (at least that's the plan).
JT
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Post by Rita on Jun 20, 2007 9:20:55 GMT -6
Thanks Jacob... But does that mean that you could plant say Lillies in place of your brussel sprouts next year? Or do you have to rest the bed?
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Post by jacobtowne on Jun 20, 2007 11:58:56 GMT -6
Rita: Onions and leeks belong to the lily (which I misspelt with a double ell) family of plants, the Liliaceae. This includes flowers, the lilies, and the alliums, or onions.
Does your question concern flowers or vegetables? If flowers, I don't know. Perhaps someone else here has an answer. If by lilies you mean vegetables, then no. Next year you would raise crops from a different family in that bed.
JT
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Post by Rita on Jun 20, 2007 12:42:00 GMT -6
No sorry JT It is about Veggies.... I just wondered if where you Planted your brussel sprouts for instance.. After that time was up if you would be able to plant say... Onions in place or do you have to Not plant anything where the Brussels were planted.... Ohhh Geee I am even confusing myself I am sooo sorry!!
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Post by jacobtowne on Jun 20, 2007 15:19:34 GMT -6
Rita:
The fault is mine for an inadequate description of crop rotation. As you mentioned in the first part of your last post, where cole crops grow this year, you would raise crops from a different family next. The bed does not have to lie fallow.
I hasten to add that this is the first year in which my efforts at rotation are something more than haphazard. I've divided my small garden into permanent, 30-inch wide beds, with narrow paths between, so I can better practice rotation.
For example, where the brassicas are this year, next could be peppers and eggplant. In 2009, under the ideal three-year rotation, I could raise lettuces and chicories. Then, in 2010 (Yikes! another new decade), I could raise brassicas in that bed again.
JT
P.S. The only fly in the ointment I know of is never plant onions where brassicas grew the previous year.
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Post by Rita on Jun 20, 2007 16:04:48 GMT -6
Ohhhh Thanks Great discription!! Thank you soo Much!! This is my Practice garden so to speak... Sooo I wanna do everything just right... Even our city Mayor stopped and said it looks great... And if I continue to do so well and Make lots of good stuff for the winter Keith ( my husband ) will let me expand it another 4 feet or so... I would hate to have that 4 feet be no good cause I planted where I was not suppose to!! Thanks Again JT
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Post by crazy1 on Jun 20, 2007 16:54:28 GMT -6
Well I thought there was a list on here............ but after some serious I couldn't find one. So for all of you wondering minds, here is a good list of some of the commonly planted veggies and herbs [/color][/td] [td] Bad Companions[/color][/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Basil[/td] [td] Pepper, Tomato, Marigold[/td] [td][/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Bush Beans[/td] [td] Beets, Cabbage, Carrots, Celery, Corn, Cucumbers, Eggplant, Lettuce, Pea, Radish, Strawberry, Savory, Tansy, Marigold[/td] [td] Onions[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Pole Beans[/td] [td] Carrots, Corn Cucumber, Eggplant, Lettuce, Pea, Radish, Savory, Tansy[/td] [td] Beets, Onion[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Beets[/td] [td] Bush Beans, Cabbage, Onion, Sage[/td] [td][/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Cabbage Family</strong>[/td] [td] Bush Beans, Beets, Celery, Onions, Tomato, All Strong Herbs, Marigold, Nasturtium[/td] [td] Strawberry[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Carrots[/td] [td] Bush Beans, Pole Beans, Lettuce, Onion, Peas, Radish, Tomato, Sage[/td] [td] Dill[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Celery[/td] [td] Bush Beans, Cabbage, Onion, Spinach, Tomato[/td] [td][/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Corn[/td] [td] Bush Beans, Pole Beans, Cucumber, Melons, Peas, Squash[/td] [td] Tomato[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Cucumbers[/td] [td] Bush Beans, Pole Beans, Corn, Lettuce, Onions, Peas, Radish, Marigold, Nasturtium, Savory[/td] [td] No Strong Herbs[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Eggplant[/td] [td] Bush Beans, Pole Beans, Spinach[/td] [td][/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Lettuce[/td] [td] Bush Beans, Pole Beans, Carrots, Cucumbers, Onion, Radish, Strawberries[/td] [td][/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Melons[/td] [td] Corn, Nasturtium, Radish[/td] [td][/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Onion[/td] [td] Beets, Cabbage, Carrots, Celery, Cucumber, Lettuce, Pepper, Squash, Strawberries, Tomato, Savory[/td] [td] Bush Beans, Pole Beans, Peas[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Parsley[/td] [td] Tomato[/td] [td][/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Peas[/td] [td] Bush Beans, Pole Beans, Carrots, Corn Cucumber, Radish, Turnips[/td] [td] Onion[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Pepper[/td] [td] Onion[/td] [td][/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Radish[/td] [td] Bush Beans, Pole Beans, Carrots, Cucumber, Lettuce, Melons, Peas, Squash[/td] [td] Hyssop[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Spinach[/td] [td] Celery, Eggplant, Cauliflower[/td] [td][/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Squash[/td] [td] Corn, Onion, Radish[/td] [td][/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Strawberry[/td] [td] Bush Beans, Lettuce, Onion, Spinach[/td] [td] Cabbage[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Tomato[/td] [td] Cabbage, Carrots, Celery, Onion, Mint[/td] [td] Corn, Fennel[/td] [/tr] [/table]
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Post by Rita on Jun 20, 2007 18:25:39 GMT -6
Ohhhh Gooody!! I planted all my Veggies with their pals!! Thanks Crazy1!! sheesh all that stress Its time for a drink And you both deserve one too!! Thanks!!
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Post by southernspirit on Jun 20, 2007 19:38:07 GMT -6
That is some great information that I am sure will come in handy for our gardens, too! Thanks for asking your questions, Rita! I have wondered about the same things...
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Post by crazy1 on Jun 20, 2007 19:46:14 GMT -6
Well glad to help ya out. That's what this great phorum is for, helping each other out. We're like phamily and stuff.
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Post by jacobtowne on Jun 21, 2007 8:39:01 GMT -6
I added the remainder of the families and plants from the list in Eliot Coleman's Four Season Harvest. Some of these crops are pretty obscure, at least to me.
JT
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Post by peachfly on Jun 30, 2007 20:22:28 GMT -6
crazy1, want to add my thanks phor the great list of companion plants. It really means a lot to know pholks who will willingly and cheerphully share their knowledge.
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Post by Rita on Jul 4, 2007 7:10:10 GMT -6
I fallowed a simalar plan The dingbat question of the day.. thinking I will be famous for stupid questions LOL Ok when it says Peppers...Does it mean Hot Peppers Bell Peppers... Does it matter? I planted alot of both and never seen anything that defined this!!
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Post by crazy1 on Jul 4, 2007 7:20:54 GMT -6
It doesn't matter Rita. The peppers are all the same in their use of the ground and the benefits of companion planting. But if you plant a hot pepper near a mild pepper, there is a chance of cross pollination. Meaning that your milds may be hot, or your hots may be mild.
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Post by Rita on Jul 6, 2007 7:37:08 GMT -6
There is such thing as a mild pepper Actually I think I have the Bell peppers a good 8 feet away from the Hot peppers... Thanks for clearing that up for me!!
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Post by Tonnymonk on Jan 24, 2008 12:05:18 GMT -6
Copied and pasted the comapnion list! Thanks for the info. This will be my first year having a garden of my own. I am so excited, and will probably be asking some(ok- a bunch) of questions soon!
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Post by Pharmer Phil on Jan 24, 2008 12:13:03 GMT -6
Copied and pasted the comapnion list! Thanks for the info. This will be my first year having a garden of my own. I am so excited, and will probably be asking some(ok- a bunch) of questions soon! well you just ask away Tonya, we'll help ya all we can. Firstly, is the area you are planning on using been tilled/plowed or used as what prior to your "soon to be" garden? we may just move this to a different board
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Post by abirdseyeview on Jan 24, 2008 14:04:58 GMT -6
Ditto on the appreciation. Its not my phirst year by any means but always good info to have around.
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Post by Tonnymonk on Feb 10, 2008 7:18:49 GMT -6
Phil- the area (well about a quarter of it, anyway) was planted with a few things for a fall garden. It has been tilled in the fall, but my neighbor is coming this week to really work it over well. The previous owners used that area for a garden also. Should I start another thread???
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Post by Pharmer Phil on Feb 10, 2008 7:31:50 GMT -6
Phil- the area (well about a quarter of it, anyway) was planted with a few things for a fall garden. It has been tilled in the fall, but my neighbor is coming this week to really work it over well. The previous owners used that area for a garden also. Should I start another thread??? Yeah lets do start a fresh thread, if for no other reason, so's ya can quick reference it
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Post by Compost Pharmer on Feb 10, 2008 9:35:53 GMT -6
Looking forward to botesbabe thread. Please keep us up-to-date with your progress. Don't forget to post the pics.
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Post by Christy on Feb 19, 2008 22:17:25 GMT -6
good topic rita, lotta good info. i know theres some ya dont plant together cause of cross pollination. cant remember what. it was saved in my old puter. im gonns haveta start wightin it all down in my notebook.
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Post by notherdigger on Feb 20, 2008 0:50:40 GMT -6
Yes thanks for the questions and thanks to you for the companion list crazy 1. I've read the info more times than I can count but I think that is the simplest most organized list yet and real handy for copy and print to put somewhere for quick reference.
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Post by Compost Pharmer on Feb 20, 2008 19:48:31 GMT -6
My thanks as well. I printed it and taped it to the inside of one of my kitchen cabinet doors. Easy and fast reference. I knew the inside of the doors were good for somethin.
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Post by BestoFour on Apr 15, 2014 14:55:49 GMT -6
So if one garden is going to have carrots AND corn how far apart should they be planted?
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Post by jerseycub on Apr 16, 2014 10:15:02 GMT -6
So if one garden is going to have carrots AND corn how far apart should they be planted? This is a very old thread and I just stumbled on it,but two things need to be made clearer here. First is what rotating crops really means. Rotation of crops in the true sense means; You planted crops in field #1 this season,at the end of season you till and plant a cover crop,then you have two choices one is planting a completely different crop in that field,or two leave it in cover crop and till it next season and then plant it with another crop. This is to prevent over burdening that area with a crop that will deplete certain nutrients from the soil,by repetitive planting.Keep in mind this was intended for large farming were the farmer had enough acreage to rotate from one field to the other....just moving your plants in a garden from one area to an area 10 or 20 feet is not rotating that field. That also applies to companion planting and separating none companion plants,in many cases that means a field apart. Getting back to rotation of crops and soil development: Soil can be depleted of certain nutrients because that field is being planted repeatedly with the same crop,secondly it is being planted with different crops but never given a rest so it can be refurbished with new organics that feed the soil...soil needs food to develop just like we do. That is the reason for testing and rotating to allow the soil to recuperate and testing to see it's it condition....what it may be lacking so we can properly feed it. Science of soil 101.
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Post by BestoFour on Apr 16, 2014 11:26:55 GMT -6
I thought that's what it meant but I got confused reading all this. We've totally changed our garden spots several times over the last 12 years. We've only used the big garden spot for 2 or 3 years and we let one spot totally go back to grass or maybe I should say weeds. This year I've got 2 raised beds so I might let part of the big garden rest.
But, as far as companions,if one garden is going to have carrots AND corn how far apart should they be planted? I'm not planting these 2 in the same garden but just curious.
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Post by Rita on Apr 16, 2014 11:53:40 GMT -6
It is a very old but good knowledgeable thread .. Many vegetables and herbs have natural substances in their roots, flowers and leaves that repel unwanted pests and attract beneficial insects. Some companion plants help other varieties grow by providing shade or enhancing flavor. Simply put, companion planting helps balance your garden’s ecosystem, allowing nature to do its job. Nature integrates many different plants, animals, and many more organisms into every ecosystem so nothing goes to waste.
How close should you plant these companion plants? To make it simple, take an average spacing between the two varieties. If one variety should be spaced 12 in. apart and the other calls for 6 in., space them 9 in. apart. Be sure to keep an eye on the heights for proper shading. Try not to completely shade out any of your shorter veggies and herbs.
Plants that are not compatible should be placed in different gardens or opposite ends of larger beds (larger than 10 by 10 ft.). Don’t plant incompatible plants in the same patio container and keep them apart in pots on your deck.
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Post by jerseycub on Apr 16, 2014 11:58:49 GMT -6
I thought that's what it meant but I got confused reading all this. We've totally changed our garden spots several times over the last 12 years. We've only used the big garden spot for 2 or 3 years and we let one spot totally go back to grass or maybe I should say weeds. This year I've got 2 raised beds so I might let part of the big garden rest. But, as far as companions,if one garden is going to have carrots AND corn how far apart should they be planted? I'm not planting these 2 in the same garden but just curious. I would say if you are using raised beds then a different bed should do, without knowing the dimensions of your raised beds it's rather difficult to understand your question.
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