Retire to Mexico?

[spuds]

I think this topic needs its own thread as whats going on is really a LOT of changes.
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Jerseycub to Spuds....

Spuds you ever have Abalonie.....I know it's not spelled correctly, but I'm sure you know what I meant.
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Spuds replies.....

Abalone,OMG YES!!! Used to eat em chopped on half shell in Mexico,now thats a major treat,havent had or seen in decades.Growing up we went to Mexico a lot,love their food with a passion still.

Oysters,OMG,eat em all the time,tho mostly canned things they still make great oyster stew,yumm!

Ever had ceviche,sea food 'cooked' in lemon juice,oh but that is good.

Retiring to Mexico a big thought here,dont want to give up here,or the change,yet with social security alone can afford to live on beach there and eat clams even.I could live in a garage sized block home with a courtyard to expand living space and fruit trees and garden and be very content. "Hola Spuds,que tal,como esta?"

Hey,I even have enough solar cells to fully power easily a house down there,cool!
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PharmerPhil says...

I can see living in a hut and making a trip to the shore for food
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JerseyCub replies to Spuds.....

Well Spuds sounds like you have the plan. Only thing it is a shame we have to move to Mexico to enjoy our life instead of here where we were born and worked all our life, and the Mexicans are coming here in droves enjoying all the benefits we worked so hard to achieve.....although none of us take advantage of.

Guess I should have crow on the menu today
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yesterday at 5:40am ChileFarmer said:
Spuds, here is a site you might enjoy. I enjoy their site. Wishing I was going there for real. CF
mexico.solarhaven.org/
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Very interesting chilefarmer: We certainly can learn a lot from the various types of construction,that's for sure. Also the foods is very good. The thing I have to be concerned about is my medical care and moving to a different country would be difficult in my case....but I can see how that may be attractive to a younger healthier person.

[spuds]

Aug 19, 2013 6:40:11 GMT -6 ChileFarmer said:

Spuds, here is a site you might enjoy. I enjoy there site. Wishing I was going there for real. CF
mexico.solarhaven.org/

Mrs was just remarking how internet has made world so small.

I first heard of Jim Phypers when he designed a hot water space heater for an RV that was at least twice as efficient as a forced air type,think your car heater,cleaner air,think steam type heat registers we used to have back when. Im almost certain he was the guy.

And Ive seen solarhaven one before.Thank You so much for new link,cant wait to go thru site.

As for the Earthbag,it was invented by a guy in Victorville,Calif (Nader Khalili),a really crusty old fella,since passed on.He built some structures on his property without permits,County went bonkers,said prove they are safe.So he hooked chains to it,then to a full size dumptruck and tried to pull it down,couldnt hurt it,County gave building approval.They have built a museum up there with the technique,also put earthbags around a local lake to prevent shore erosion,again the design has proved to be brilliant.His are filled with dirt and cement mixture.Plus can make awesome arches in buildings easily. Pretty amazing thinker that guy was.

"Safety Standards and Comfort. Cal-Earth’s sandbag structures, reinforced with barbed wire, have successfully passed tests for California’s high seismic building codes, making them resistant to earthquakes as well as fire, flood, and hurricanes. Their design and thermal mass create comfortable living spaces based on the time-tested, sustainable architecture of harsh environments, such as that in the architect’s native Iran."

“Superadobe is an adobe that is stretched from history into the new century. It is like an umbilical cord connecting the traditional with the future adobe world.” –Nader Khalili


calearth.org/








Check it out,thats Barb wire just laid on bags that holds them together,BRILLIANT!

[spuds]

Aug 20, 2013 7:25:13 GMT -6 jerseycub said:

Aug 19, 2013 6:40:11 GMT -6 ChileFarmer said:

Spuds, here is a site you might enjoy. I enjoy there site. Wishing I was going there for real. CF
mexico.solarhaven.org/

Very interesting chilefarmer: We certainly can learn a lot from the various types of construction,that's for sure. Also the foods is very good. The thing I have to be concerned about is my medical care and moving to a different country would be difficult in my case....but I can see how that may be attractive to a younger heather person.

Its hard to say,here is his experience,Ive read others in same vein...For heavier care I think the big city hospitals could deliver,might not get proton therapy or such.....
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blog.solarhaven.org/TeoceloBlogs.htm

No doctors make appointments here that I know of. Perhaps they do in the bigger cities. You just show up and take your chances. Dr. Ortega's waiting room was always stuffed we had noticed when we have driven by on the way to and from our house. So it was a goodly wait. But it was certainly no different than in the States where I always had an appointment but usually still waited an eternity anyway.

Dr. Ortega turned out to be a most loveable and patient man and he was amazingly knowledgeable and thorough. We were really impressed. After his evaluation of my history and my current symptoms and reviewing the meds I was taking (we didn't mention we had pulled two of them), he said without prompting from us to get off the two pain meds pronto, and he would try to find some substitutes which were safer and at least somewhat effective so I could walk. In fact, he did! And they work!

Now this was amazing to us as the new substitute meds were old timers which had been known and available back when I first started my meds about ten years ago. I had expressed my worries back then about known liver failure from the meds they were giving me and had been told there were no alternatives. Hmmmmm...! We of course went straight to the Internet when we got home and found far fewer horror stories with the new meds Dr. Ortega had prescribed. These meds were also much cheaper than the expensive stuff I had been on for so long. I seem to be saying this a lot but...hmmmm.

This first evaluation visit with Dr. Ortega lasted at least 30 minutes, but he only charged us $11 which included about $3 worth of meds to start with! Isn't the going rate in the U.S. about $80-100 plus for a first visit? A second follow-up visit came to $8 which also included some meds. And so I have come to a third world country to a tiny town (in the "middle of no where" some would say) and received much less expensive but also much better and more responsible medical care than ever in the States (this includes Denver, Seattle, Los Angeles, San Diego, Las Vegas, and Tucson). And the cost for this care was so low we are still reeling from the shock. This is only one man's experience in just one place in Mexico, of course, and there may be many a horror story other places to counter it. I don't know. But here it is for you to evaluate for yourself..

But wait! There is a delightful epilogue to this story of our first encounter with the Mexican medical establishment. I also had to have extensive blood work done at the hospital across from the Plaza in addition to our visits to Dr. Ortega. This little hospital was spotless. It just sparkled. I was seen immediately. Oh, when does that ever happen in the U.S. unless you are bleeding all over their floor? The blood work came to a grand total of $12. This price included a consult with the doctor on call and a shot of something to get the pain and inflammation in my gut under control. The doctor's nurse actually mainlined the stuff to me rather than by using an IM injection. That surprised me but it got a little relief started quickly, and I wasn't complaining at all. I have had many similar blood workups in the States (minus any shots) and they have always been $100 and up.

And get this! I kidd you not. When I went in for the actual blood draw (it was the next morning as I had to be fasting), the place was mobbed and there were no chairs to sit in at all. When it came "our" turn Mindy explained that I could not stand for more than about 30 seconds or so and was waiting out in the truck up a side street. The supervisor asked where the truck was and ordered a tech to gather up his stuff and go up and just do it there! Not in the U.S. No, me thinks not! Liability junk and all that! The truck was parked awkwardly straddling a pile of sand (welcome to Mexico) where the tech had to stand to draw my blood! All who read this may not approve of such medical procedure but I thought it was wonderful. As you know from the "Rules? What Rules?" blog, I love the lack of rigid regulations here and a flexibility to going about things that serves the needs of real people not the insanely rigid ideas and fears of lawyers, politicians, and administrators. The sight of that lab tech in his perfectly starched and gleaming white uniform, shoes newly polished that morning, and hair perfectly combed standing in that sand pile on the side of a street taking my blood will stay with me a long time. He scrubbed my arm like I was going in for some surgery.

This made my day it did!

- jim and mindy

[spuds]

Or this,check link to read prices,crazy!!!Filipinos tell me you can have surg there and recuperate in a luxury hotel for 10 cents on the dollar here. Or health plans here considering flying policy holders to India for elective surgeries,crazy world we are in.

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internationalliving.com/2010/11/the-83-cents-a-day-health-plan-in-mexico/

Access to good, affordable health care is one of the benefits to living in Mexico that I most appreciate. I have an excellent private insurance policy here that costs a fraction of what I’d pay in the States.

Mexico’s national health plan, IMSS (which I qualify for as a legal resident), is even cheaper—the top rate is less than $300 a year (83 cents a day). But even if I didn’t have insurance, many procedures that are expensive in the U.S. cost much less here.