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Post by caveman on Nov 13, 2014 16:47:53 GMT -6
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Post by ChileFarmer on Nov 14, 2014 8:43:07 GMT -6
Cavey, I live in Texas and did not realize this type of thing was going on. Yeah, I have heard bits and pieces. Although we are several hundred miles from the area the video was filmed. I find it to be appalling that people find themselves in this kind of situation, without much help. I do understand why they are leaving there own country to come here. If I lived in the situation they are in I to would be leaving.
In our business we employ about 50 people most are from South of the border. Some of the stories I hear from them about living in there country is unreal.
That is a very informative video, all Americans should see it, and understand it. CF
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Post by BestoFour on Nov 14, 2014 20:01:25 GMT -6
It is sad and I was a sympathetic person until I went to work at the health department. That job changed me. I got sick of being lied too, sick of people coming to the US for a better life only to continue to have baby after baby that they expected American money would support, to being laughed at to my face because WE, AMERICANS, were trying to learn to speak their language and being told that was good because they had no intention of learning English, being told that no one in their household was working after watching them park their yellow Mustang GT in the parking lot and seeing the gold chains around their necks, refusing to buy their baby diaper rash ointment when they have on fake nails, telling me they can't afford Tylenol to give their child after vaccines when 20 minutes earlier I heard them tell another patient they just got back, YES BACK, from visiting their grandmother in Mexico, having women tell us they'd flown to Brazil for a cheap boob job. Yep, it changed me.
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Post by spuds on Nov 14, 2014 22:52:42 GMT -6
Its a mess.Surly I wouldnt let them die,but let them in? Not sure I would do that either,I also see the welfare crowd get gov benefits I the taxpayer doesnt,thats wrong.
And yes,most I meet at the hospital arent rolling in dough,only some are the big abusers,and it isnt the new arrivals.
Then you get the truly grateful that treat you with utmost respect while dealing with the homegrown lowlife gangbanging thieves....in your face aholes.
I just dont know,but I will give them food and water if stranded,I would do that for anyone.
Lets SECURELY secure the border,and make it known they cant work here,maybe that would be better,and have the workers come through LEGALLY and safely instead? And actually send em back if they wont go,and deny them worker visas in the future? Something safer and fair for both sides?
then again,that wont happen either.Poor illegals have made labor a worthless product in the USA,too many running them are reaping the profits.Example,knew of a guy who ran drywallers...got it in his head he could hire illegals,put the US citizens right out of work.Did he lower his costs charged for services,HELL NO,did he buy a giant house and a bunch of new cars for himself?YUP! I'd like to see his ilk pay the costs for their crimes.Right on up to the top.
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Post by spuds on Nov 14, 2014 23:18:51 GMT -6
And what do we get for answers,150 more agents hanging around the checkpoints,sure wont get 150 agents rescuing these people.Thats hard work,we just want more money for more people standing around and driving expensive trucks.
AND it goes back to my stand on legalizing drugs,its the illegal trade that fuels the narcotic gangs that terrorize people...the war on (Insert your choice here,drugs,terror,whatever) is really the war on PEOPLE.It'll never stop,Narcos run governments,ours too,too much money getting fed into graft and the war on drugs industries for it to truly be stopped by putting the narcos and everyone else making a profit on it outta business by taking over their 'businesses'.
We used to have a sane policy for farm workers that was legal,what happened to that?Though that alone is probably just a drop in the bucket on total numbers
I just dont know,I dont have the answers nor does anything I think will change the shortcomings,guess we have to answer by our own actions?
They shouldnt have to die,thats for sure,thats unacceptable for the trillions we spend as a gov for that to be happening,to die from exposure.
Then again,WTH? We are spending trillions to murder people on the other side of the globe,why should we care about what happens to people on our borders?
I want to be ship wrecked on Gilligans Island.Become a hermit.Seriously,time for a major life change,Im sick of all this crap.
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Post by Pharmer Phil on Nov 15, 2014 5:20:23 GMT -6
I want to be ship wrecked on Gilligans Island.Become a hermit.Seriously,time for a major life change,Im sick of all this crap. me too bro make our own freakin laws |
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Post by Pharmer Phil on Nov 15, 2014 5:39:28 GMT -6
It is sad and I was a sympathetic person until I went to work at the health department. That job changed me. I got sick of being lied too, sick of people coming to the US for a better life only to continue to have baby after baby that they expected American money would support, to being laughed at to my face because WE, AMERICANS, were trying to learn to speak their language and being told that was good because they had no intention of learning English, being told that no one in their household was working after watching them park their yellow Mustang GT in the parking lot and seeing the gold chains around their necks, refusing to buy their baby diaper rash ointment when they have on fake nails, telling me they can't afford Tylenol to give their child after vaccines when 20 minutes earlier I heard them tell another patient they just got back, YES BACK, from visiting their grandmother in Mexico, having women tell us they'd flown to Brazil for a cheap boob job. Yep, it changed me. Back in the day..we would gather on the corner to figure something to do...to make cash..no jobs..no programs to help.. Meanwhile, across from Us.. at the Welfare office..car after car (Trans Am's, Mustangs, etc.) would Pull up..Out would hop a well dressed Vietnamese man/woman..they'd run in..get their food stamps..and leave.. they had "sponsors", which meant they had jobs (on top the welfare)and were allowed to live here Tax free..for 7 years .(I believe.memory bad) I had several Hispanic men working for me at my last position. Very hard workers I might say..and You'd NEVER have to ask twice if they wanted to work overtime..in facr I'd get so many volunteers..I'd have to turn some down |
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Post by spuds on Nov 16, 2014 3:27:10 GMT -6
It is sad and I was a sympathetic person until I went to work at the health department. That job changed me. I got sick of being lied too, sick of people coming to the US for a better life only to continue to have baby after baby that they expected American money would support, to being laughed at to my face because WE, AMERICANS, were trying to learn to speak their language and being told that was good because they had no intention of learning English, being told that no one in their household was working after watching them park their yellow Mustang GT in the parking lot and seeing the gold chains around their necks, refusing to buy their baby diaper rash ointment when they have on fake nails, telling me they can't afford Tylenol to give their child after vaccines when 20 minutes earlier I heard them tell another patient they just got back, YES BACK, from visiting their grandmother in Mexico, having women tell us they'd flown to Brazil for a cheap boob job. Yep, it changed me. Back in the day..we would gather on the corner to figure something to do...to make cash..no jobs..no programs to help.. Meanwhile, across from Us.. at the Welfare office..car after car (Trans Am's, Mustangs, etc.) would Pull up..Out would hop a well dressed Vietnamese man/woman..they'd run in..get their food stamps..and leave.. they had "sponsors", which meant they had jobs (on top the welfare)and were allowed to live here Tax free..for 7 years .(I believe.memory bad) I had several Hispanic men working for me at my last position. Very hard workers I might say..and You'd NEVER have to ask twice if they wanted to work overtime..in facr I'd get so many volunteers..I'd have to turn some down Bizarro world for sure |
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Post by BestoFour on Nov 19, 2014 15:01:12 GMT -6
I think every one should be given a SS# and be required to pay taxes.
If you are a minority in the US you can start a business and not be taxed for 7 years. At the end of that 7 years you can sell that business, again without paying taxes, and start another business. It can be the same kind of business but with a different name. You can do that over and over until you die as long as you're a minority. True. Check it out.
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Post by MinnMike on Nov 20, 2014 8:03:09 GMT -6
I think every one should be given a SS# and be required to pay taxes. If you are a minority in the US you can start a business and not be taxed for 7 years. At the end of that 7 years you can sell that business, again without paying taxes, and start another business. It can be the same kind of business but with a different name. You can do that over and over until you die as long as you're a minority. True. Check it out. Citation please. In other words,where did you get this info ? I did "check this out" and find absolutely nothing to support this. I assume by "minority" you meant "immigrants" ? As for "give everyone a SS#", SS#/card is for those that are/will be eligible for benefits. Immigrants working in this country but not eligible for SS benefits are given a "Taxpayer ID #" |
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Post by BestoFour on Nov 20, 2014 19:17:44 GMT -6
MinnMike, I got that info from an owner of a Mexican Restaurant who is on his 3rd restaurant. He is here from Mexico, came across the border illegally when he was 15 but somehow, not sure of the entire story, became sponsored by a local church and was allowed to stay. His 2 older brothers eventually came, one at a time, they opened a tienda from where they sold tacos which evolved into a Mexican Restaurant which they sold after 6 years, opened another with a different name 15 miles up the road, then another after 6 years, which is now in Marshville, NC.
Also heard a similar story form my sister, who lives in West Virginia and who has a husband who is a pastor. They frequently eat at a Mexican restaurant and have gotten to know the owner who volunteered one of his rooms,for free, for a Bible study if they want to use eat, and he told them basically the same thing.
I have never looked it up on a government site but my sister didn't know my story until she told me her story, 2 different states, the same thing.
As far as SS#, I was just staying that I think everyone living here, working here, going to school here should have some sort of way to be identified for taxable as well as other reasons. After a few years of working at the health department the rules changed. In the beginning everyone, no matter where you were from, had to produce either a SS# or proof of income from work. We could not accept the answer "no one in my household is working" because most times that's not true because who is paying the rent, the power, the cable and so on. After a few years a SS# number was the only ID for which we could ask, other than name and birth date. If a person said "no SS#" then they could say "no one in my house works" and we couldn't question them on it. So we could look up your work record and what was called a financial and see how much you could pay for services but for ones without a SS# we could not. If we couldn't verify your income then you paid 0. Never had one person the entire time I worked there present a taxpayer ID#.
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Post by MinnMike on Nov 21, 2014 3:34:42 GMT -6
And these restaurant owners told you and your sister that they didn't pay any taxes? And that they weren't required to? Most immigrants legal or not DO pay taxes and if you have a SS# that means you are either a citizen or a legal resident and you are required to pay taxes.If you believe I am wrong then show me something that is not just a "someone told me" which is not worth the paper it's (not) written on. Now I have no doubt that there are plenty of people here without papers “flying under the radar” and working or running a small business and evading taxes. Heck I know or know of plenty of native born citizens who are doing the same thing. Actually, a SS# is a form of "Taxpayer ID#" the Individual Taxpayer ID#s I was talking about look just the same(same number of digits in the same format) but are issued to people who are not eligible for a SS card. If you have either one,your income is being reported and you owe taxes. Do some people (legal or not,immigrant or not) cheat and not report everything they make?  You think?! "I think everyone.....should have some sort of way to be identified for taxable as well as other reasons"I hope you are not talking about a National ID card 'cause that's a road we DO NOT want to go down!! |
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Post by ChileFarmer on Nov 21, 2014 8:09:16 GMT -6
All of our workers are required to have a SS# (card). We photo the card and keep on file. An employee is required to pay SS tax, taken from there check each pay period. But no one is required to have federal income tax taken from there check. That being said, but by law we can not ask if there SS card is there's. CF  |
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Post by MinnMike on Nov 21, 2014 10:34:26 GMT -6
Can't ask if the card is theirs ? Card has a name on it. Don't you ask for ID to show they are who they say they are ? I know I have had to show ID when applying for a job. And if there is a SS# on record and SS tax is being deducted then those wages are being reported and whoever the card was isued to is liable for taxes. Now whether they pay them is another question. Only way I have ever been able to not have taxes deducted is to sign a form saying I don't expect to earn enough in the year to owe taxes and you can bet IRS checks what is reported.
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Post by ChileFarmer on Nov 21, 2014 14:10:21 GMT -6
Yes, we also receive photo ID. The name on the SS card is right but the number may not be there's. SS money is collected from there check and matched by the company. The funds are sent to SS to the number supplied. It is not however the responsibility or required of the company to collect federal income tax. We do collect income tax if the employee request that we do so. This information is collected on a form filled out and signed by the employee. Paying federal income tax is up to each person. CF |
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Post by spuds on Nov 21, 2014 14:30:25 GMT -6
I hope you are not talking about a National ID card 'cause that's a road we DO NOT want to go down!! Its a given.Some companies are already doing voiceprints when you call (IE,credit cards,banks,gov agencies and MORE) and filing them away,its already in the millions the numbers theyve collected in USA.And already its being done world wide. So national ID is a given,as is INTERNATIONAL,just pick your tech. |
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Post by ChileFarmer on Nov 21, 2014 19:58:42 GMT -6
Mike,state ID cards with photo on them. CF
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You think?!