Attack at Fort Hood

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This shit MUST STOP

[Wrennie]

For those of you wondering sup at Fort Hood;
quote from yahoo news

By APRIL CASTRO and DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writers April Castro And Devlin Barrett, Associated Press Writers – 26 mins ago

FORT HOOD, Texas – The base commander at Fort Hood says soldiers who witnessed a shooting rampage that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire at the Texas post.

Lt. Gen. Robert Cone told NBC's "Today" show on Friday that suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, made the comment, which is Arabic for "God is great!" before the rampage Thursday that also left 30 people wounded.

Military officials say they are still piecing together what may have pushed Hasan, an Army psychiatrist trained to help soldiers in distress, to turn on his comrades.

Cone says Hasan was not known to be a threat or risk.

Hasan was shot four times during the rampage. Cone says he is hospitalized in stable condition and that military officials will interrogate him as soon as possible.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) — Military officials were starting Friday to piece together what may have pushed an Army psychiatrist trained to help soldiers in distress to turn on his comrades in a shooting rampage that killed 13 people and wounded 30 in Texas.

The suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, was on a ventilator and unconscious in a hospital after being shot four times during the shootings at the Army's sprawling Fort Hood, post officials said. In the early chaos after the shootings, authorities believed they had killed him, only to discover later that he had survived.

In Washington, a senior U.S. official said authorities at Fort Hood initially thought one of the victims who had been shot and killed was the shooter. The mistake resulted in a delay of several hours in identifying Hasan as the alleged assailant.

Authorities have not ruled out that Hasan was acting on behalf of some unidentified radical group, the official said. He would not say whether any evidence had come to light to support that theory.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss matters that were under investigation.

Officials are not ruling out the possibility that some of the casualties may have been victims of "friendly fire," that in the mayhem and confusion at the shooting scene some of the responding military officials may have shot some of the victims.

The gunfire broke out around 1:30 p.m. at the Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening. Nearby, some soldiers were readying to head into a graduation ceremony for troops and families who had recently earned degrees.

Pastor Greg Schannep had just parked his car along the side of the theater and was about to head into the ceremony when a man in uniform approached him.

"Sir, they are opening fire over there!" the man told him. At first, he thought it was a training exercise — then heard three volleys and saw people running. As the man who warned him about the shots ran away, he could see the man's back was bloodied from a wound.

Schannep said police and medical and other emergency personnel were on the scene in an instant, telling people to get inside the theater. The post went into lockdown while a search began for a suspect and emergency workers began trying to treat the wounded. Some soldiers rushed to treat their injured colleagues by ripping their uniforms into makeshift bandages to treat their wounds.

Fort Hood Lt. Gen. Bob Cone praised the soldiers for their quick reaction.

"God bless these soldiers," Cone said. "As horrible as this was it could have been worse."

Video from the scene showed police patrolling the area with handguns and rifles, ducking behind buildings for cover. Sirens could be heard wailing while a woman's voice on a public-address system urged people to take cover. Schools on the base went into lockdown, and family members trying to find out what was happening inside found cell phone lines jammed or busy.

"I was confused and just shocked," said Spc. Jerry Richard, 27, who works at the center but was not on duty during the shooting. "Overseas you are ready for it. But here you can't even defend yourself."

The wounded were dispersed among hospitals in central Texas, Cone said. Their identities and the identities of the dead were not immediately released.

The bodies of the victims would be taken to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware for autopsies and forensic tests, said a U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss matters that were under investigation.

There will also be a ceremony at the air base to honor the dead.

Jamie and Scotty Casteel stood outside the emergency room at the hospital in Temple waiting for news of their son-in-law Matthew Cooke, who was among the injured.

"He's been shot in the abdomen and that's all we know," Jamie Casteel told The Associated Press. She said Cook, from New York state, had been home from Iraq for about a year.

Amber Bahr, 19, was shot in the stomach but was in stable condition, said her mother, Lisa Pfund of Random Lake, Wis.

"We know nothing, just that she was shot in the belly," Pfund said. She couldn't provide more details and only spoke with emergency personnel.

Ashley Saucedo told WOOD-TV in Michigan that her husband was shot in the arm, but she couldn't discuss specifics. Saucedo said she and the couple's two children weren't permitted to leave their home at Fort Hood during the shootings.

The motive for the shooting wasn't clear, but Hasan was apparently set to deploy soon, and had expressed some anger about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said generals at Fort Hood told her that Hasan was about to deploy overseas. Retired Col. Terry Lee, who said he had worked with Hasan, told Fox News he was being sent to Afghanistan.

Lee said Hasan had hoped Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars.

For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing a career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

But his record wasn't sterling. At Walter Reed, he received a poor performance evaluation, according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly. And while he was an intern, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time.

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

Investigators had not determined for certain whether Hasan was the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.

The FBI, local police and other agencies searched Hasan's apartment Thursday night after evacuating the complex in Killeen, said city spokeswoman Hilary Shine. She referred questions about what was found to the FBI. The FBI in Dallas referred questions to a spokesman who was not immediately available early Friday morning.

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Associated Press Writers Lara Jakes in Washington and Matt Curry in Dallas contributed to this report.

[Shelly]

Sickening and very sad. I could go on and on but would likely say something offensive, so I'll just say my thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the deceased.

[Compost Pharmer]

When I heard about it on TV and say the shooters name, my first thought was it was a terrorist invasion. I'm still thinking it is. It just a few years for the plot to play out.

I'm with Cavey on this one. The only people that carry weapons on post are the MP's and civilian police. Maybe they need to start arming more people so they can get to the shooter before he kills so many.

[ghoststomper]

My prayers are going out to the families who lost their loved ones and to the ones injured. I'd say more , but I am with Shelly and I will keep my thoughts to myself so to not offend anyone else also.

[Garden Happy]

It's all so senseless and sad. I still don't get tho that if they had found postings on his e-mail that were in question on "ON SUICIDE BOMBINGS" ,when are we going to learn that postings of that sort or readings of that sort should call for immediate investigating and removal from duty or supervised duty until they find out if fellow members could be at risk .
This could have been a lot worse then it was. we could be talking hundreds of wives and children to.

[Deleted]

I agree CP and i must say i can't express how i feel about this or it would get the whole board shut down....i will say i'm damn mad

[Pharmer Phil]

It's a damn shame, my sympathy for the families of the victims.

I agree Shelly..
Not only should of someone taken action when:

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats.

what happens to You or me if we're suspected of ANYTHING?


Or when

But his record wasn't sterling. At Walter Reed, he received a poor performance evaluation, according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly. And while he was an intern, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time

Here Hasan..Have a position at Walter Reed Army Medical Center

After all, I would be suspicious of a Unruly, Arabic, known to post about suicide bombings and other threats...and just happened to be a Psychiatrist

They Should have been tracking his every move...And..when they found out he was shipping out...They should have anticipated he might come unwound...

No, everyone is out policing Us U.S. citizens...making sure we are not up to any thing.."PHUNNY"

[Spruance]

I was following this on CNN last night and also online, and it is shocking that someone could turn against his own country and fellow soldiers in this way.

I realise that it is a huge base but it does make you wonder why the authorities were not watching this man given his position of trust and their earlier suspicions.

My heartfelt condolences go out to the bereaved and those injured in this terrible atrocity.

[Compost Pharmer]

I, like you Cavey, can not express my true feelings about this incident for fear I might be banned from Pro Boards. I am not a veteran but very opinionated on subjects like this. I still stand behind what I posted earlier. I understand that soldiers may not want to deployed to Iraq, or the Middle East, but when they signed up, they knew they could be sent any where in the world. Not all assignments are a paradise. My opinion may have been different if this individual was not a Muslim and if 9/11 had not happened.

[Spruance]

There is an ongoing case in the UK at the moment with an army corporal facing a court martial for desertion because he 'didn't want to go to Afghanistan'.

Well, we have the same volunteer army as in the USA so why sign up if you're not prepared to go anywhere in the world?

[jack]

Gidday

I too want to express my heartfelt condolences to you people.

When are we all going to realise that the muslim religion is not one of peace but of evil. Some claim otherwise but how could that be when we see what happens in this rotten old world.

You, like us, still hold to the ideal of freadom of religion but that must stop if this evil is to be stopped infiltrating every bit of our societies. They have even infiltrated the U.S. military.

[Pharmer Phil]

CP, Caveman...Everyone.....
Expressing your opinion is what a forum is for!

As long as we don't PLAN to organize and take up firearms or threaten anyone...we'll be Phine...


WE ARE ALLOWED TO EXPRESS OUR OPINIONS...
after all I , in the post above ..I called the law enforcement, armed forces and the Walter Reed Hospital Staff a bunch of dumb ass's for not throttling this guy WAY BEFORE this happened

CP, no one can delete you from here except Me and the Staff...and that won't happen...we have staff here, if something even approaches the limit, we will edit it...

But The T.O.S (terms of service) is clear to read, and unless we Start name calling, threatening, harassing, or use excessive vulgar language...we'll be fine.


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So PLEASE PHOLKS, You/I/We are not under that close of scrutiny...speak phreely phorum phamily...

[Deleted]

I stand with jack on this.....the muslim religion is not one of peace but of evil and i really hate to say that, because my doc that my daugter works for is muslim ...he has always treated us with the utmost respect.
He has gone so far as to pay my daughters auto repair bills and give(not loan) her money when she was in a bind.
Last year durin the ice storm he gave us the key to his office and let us go there to cook, shower and sleep when we had no power.....so i really hate to see people of his religion puttin this black mark on him.

[4rum]

"As long as we don't PLAN to organize and take up firearms or threaten anyone...we'll be Phine..."

Guess I'll keep my thoughts to myself then.

[Compost Pharmer]

Phil,
Thank you for updating us on the rules of the site. My fear is not you or the Mods, but rather the Pro Boards people. They might catch us before you or the Mods have had a chance to read and either modify or delete the offending post. So I have decided to keep my posts civilized and with no profanity, but yet to the point. This forum is my favorite and I personally don't want to see it banned by Proboards. We are a good group of people, from different countries and cultures and I wish it to stay this way. I enjoy learning about the members lives in other countries.

4rum,
We are Union Local 13 of the Phunny Pharmers of the World. So we have organized, but not armed ourselfs with anything other then our ability to type our thoughts on this forum.

This country needs to go back to the original constitution that was put together by our fore fathers. I don't mind different religions, but don't try to force it upon us by terrorism. Fort Hood, 9/11, all the embassey attacks, and all the attacks around the world are uncalled for. This world needs to live in peace and harmony.

Now I give the over to the next member to express their thoughts.

[4rum]

Colonials had two things at their disposal ... powder and balls.

[Deleted]

I totally agree with Cavey's beginning post.
4rum - yep - the Colonials had powder and balls - not to mention Lead to make ammo....

[jerseycub]

I'm definitely going to keep this short and censored, We are hearing the same words that were spoken on 9/11/2001. My comment to these people is simply this. " Wake UP" !!!!!!!

[Shelly]

Have they interviewed this Hasan guy yet? A few days ago I heard he was awake but declined interrogation. How can he have the right to decline? I am disturbed by that.