My hogs

[trudy]

its not the best pic ever but here are my 2 additions I posted about on another thread.

Now my question is: How do I neutralize the odor without harming them? I thought about lime but seeing how they do root would it be safe? trudy

[nnbreeder]

I don't know about potbellies but my durocs all did their duty in one corner of the pen and I would remove it daily and compost it. That took care of the odor.

[crazy1]

Ummmm T, their hogs. Never really known anyone who was able to get rid of the smell. There is a post here some where in the "Soil Building" board explaining how toxic hog manure is. It's equal to human waste. Sure wish there was an answer for ya.

[crazy1]

Here is Pharmer Phils advise on Hog Manure

Well everything I learned years ago, told me Never use cat, dog,human or pig manure. Now, with the onset of modern hog production, and the application of hog Slurry to row crops, I wanted an answer. I got one. When I was little, we used to pick field corn to eat, like sweetcorn, fact, I never even heard of sweetcorn till I was 12, this practice, with farmers using hog slurry, could prove fatal these days.
The fact is, hogs and humans have very similiar systems, Can hog and even human manure be used?
YES; however, It takes a very long, and a very watchful eye to get it properly composted. The risk of pathogens is so much greater than other manures.
I could advise Pholks that it was OK, to use, But does everyone really make sure that there compost is kept at optimum heat levels, and maintained, in the case of hog, or again human, for well over a year.
I practice the same caution with some organic preperations, In the knowledgeable hands, They are fine, in the hands of a novice, injuries or worse could happen, I just try to walk the line, and decide what should be shared, and try to consider the fact that no matter what you tell someone, they will still assume that if a little is good, then three times as much should be better!

[trudy]

Thanks C, I knew he had mentioned it there but I haven't had the time to reread it. I'll have to figure out sumpin, not sure I want it in my compost. trudy

[crazy1]

No problem, glad to help ya out.

[bscamo]

Maybe you could send it to North Korea. They seem to want to mess with dangerous and toxic things ,,,,,....

[Pharmer Phil]

crazy1 said:

Here is Pharmer Phils advise on Hog Manure

Well everything I learned years ago, told me Never use cat, dog,human or pig manure. Now, with the onset of modern hog production, and the application of hog Slurry to row crops, I wanted an answer. I got one. When I was little, we used to pick field corn to eat, like sweetcorn, fact, I never even heard of sweetcorn till I was 12, this practice, with farmers using hog slurry, could prove fatal these days.
The fact is, hogs and humans have very similiar systems, Can hog and even human manure be used?
YES; however, It takes a very long, and a very watchful eye to get it properly composted. The risk of pathogens is so much greater than other manures.
I could advise Pholks that it was OK, to use, But does everyone really make sure that there compost is kept at optimum heat levels, and maintained, in the case of hog, or again human, for well over a year.
I practice the same caution with some organic preperations, In the knowledgeable hands, They are fine, in the hands of a novice, injuries or worse could happen, I just try to walk the line, and decide what should be shared, and try to consider the fact that no matter what you tell someone, they will still assume that if a little is good, then three times as much should be better!

OK, going to quote my quote here, as I forsee some questions....

The above was my response to using Hog manure in the garden.

Can it be used, as stated above YES. You can also use YOUR manure...But let me ellaborate on this:

Hog Manure/Human waste

(Try ordering a RARE burger at your favorite resturaunt, You won't get it!
Because they, by law, have to heat the meat to a certain temperature for a certain length of time in order to kill the E. coli bacteria inside. The same goes for the manure in your compost pile.)

If you can HONESTLY, assure yourself that Your composting method will maintain temperatures between 104° F. and 131° F. for OVER a YEAR....Use it, If not Don't!
Most disease pathogens die when exposed to 131° for a short period of time, BUT, Hog manure is dense, and much more time is needed. beneficial microbes will be destroyed if your pile exceeds 131°
(compost thermometers are available at garden shops and nurseries)

Even Cow and horse manure needs to be thoroughly composted and composted correctly. If this doesn't happen, you could be taking a trip to your local emergency room.

Apply it in the fall?

You bet..IF, you live in a climate like Minnesota, where the harsh winter will destroy any ptahogens; HOWEVER, Fall, means after you harvest, NOT, January...in areas that do not get colder than Hell frozen over...this will not work.

Apply it in the spring?

Sure, IF, you have at least 120 days before harvesting vegetables. For most gardeners in Minnesota, this recommendation does not work because the time between fertilizing and harvesting is shorter than 120 days!

E. coli is a bacteria that lives in the intestines of most mammals and normally it doesn't make us sick, However, this is NOT "E. Coli O157"

"A home gardener, especially if they are inexperienced, may not be composting correctly or long enough to render raw manure safe to use in their gardens. They may be spreading only partially rotted or under heated manure compost on their beds and putting themselves and their family at risk."

this explains my comment near the bottom.
Pholks, I can recite organic/natural homemade concoctions, that would make Jerry Baker Cry......But I refrain...Why..

because some of these, should not be used by most pholks, the reason...SAFETY...
too many people asume that a Natural, organic, or a concoction made at home, is SAFE..., use it often, use it at 3X the recommended strength, take no precautions..It's NATURAL..........

As with any substance, natural, organic or chemical, always practice safety, as with any substance, ALWAYS follow the reccomended amounts.


And That my Phriends is why I don't advocate the use of hog/human/carnivore manures, or talk in detail of the Many home remedies that are available for us to use....

"I walk the Line" with advice most pholks can use, and use safely.
This the ONE REASON. I, for one has some serious issues with Mr. Jerry Baker....some of his concoctions should bear warnings, To you, the end user, who may use them.

believe me pholks, I would die of guilt if anyone used anything I reccomended, and They or their families were harmed...always weigh your options, ask questions, read labels, follow directions, and enjoy your garden...(even your Spinach)

[trudy]

Thanks Phil for being blunt and pointing things out so even I can understand. So as u said Now a Question? As long as its not used in the veggie garden do u think I could mix it in around some of my perennials and it be beneficial. Just makin sure, I don't want to contaminate anything. trudy

[KellyGa]

Hey trudy. Nice looking pigs there! I scoop my pot belly pigs poop every day, just about, unless its raining. I have a corner I dump all manure way back in the back corner of the property inside the fence of course. If you don't get the time to scoop poop, which I don't always have the time and if it rains it gets mushy I will spread a good amount of wheat straw down on the mud and poo. My pigs USUALLY will go on one corner unless its raining and they will come just far enough out of their house to go.