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Post by jerseycub on Jun 14, 2010 5:58:08 GMT -6
I have made mention of this in another thread early on but wanted to carry this discussion on it's own.
I am just wondering how concerned the rest of us are over this senseless disaster. Me? I am so pissed off at BP and our government agencies that should have been providing the necessary safety precautions prior to any off shore drilling, to prevent just such a disaster. Now they (BP) are trying to close the barn door...so to speak, after the horses have left. This whole fiasco could have been averted had they installed the proper safety blow off equipment to shut down when this sort of thing happens. Now we are dealing with something that no one can predict when or even if we will be able to stop, not to mention how long this will be effecting the environment or even if the Gulf will ever return to normal.
This may sound radical but it is exactly how I feel. BP should never be allowed to drill or conduct business with us ever again.
Every environmental agency and its employs that are and were responsible for the safe operation of the oil drilling industry should be fired.
Let me remind those of you that may not remember the Air Traffic Controllers strike during the Regan administration. Bottom line is he said they could not strike this was an extreme safety infraction, and fired all of them. Well what the hell is this? Ice cream at the park!!
I am extremely concerned for our environment and those that make a living from the Gulf. I pray that there is a solution coming to resolve this disaster.
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Post by Laura on Jun 14, 2010 15:40:55 GMT -6
It is painful to see the images of the birds & other wild life that has been affected by this mess.
I hope something will happen soon to stop the leak.
I am guessing that seafood of all types will sky-rocket. I picked up a supply of some of our favorites.
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Post by Sonya on Jun 14, 2010 16:18:13 GMT -6
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Post by jerseycub on Jun 14, 2010 16:43:07 GMT -6
The Gulf of Mexico is one of the most beautiful bodies of water you can imagine, and the beaches that surround it as well. Ruth has visited Sanibel Island to visit friends quite often and also Captiva Island as well to see the Manatees, they are so beautiful, also the aquatic life in the Gulf and the shells on Sanibel are exquisite so much so that there is a Museum exhibition showing the many different shells collected there, that was started by her friends Betty and John English. So far they haven't been effected by this disaster, but so many other areas have been and are still being threatened every day as long as this continues. This is a horrible disaster that should have and could have been averted if only the people involved did the right thing. I hope when this terrible disaster is resolved and the dust finally settles everyone gets up in arms to prevent this from ever happening again.
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Post by jack on Jun 15, 2010 3:58:23 GMT -6
Gidday
How I see it, it is an international disaster. And BP have done nothing to try to stop the oil coming out, they have only tried to catch the oil so they can sell it.
The friction and abraision in the well must be wearing the pipes pretty thin by now so the whole well must be due to colapse and release the entire amount of oil and gas that is in the underground reservoir of oil.
Other than that, the other way of stopping the bloody gusher is to use a small nuclear bomb to seal the hole. Not a good thought Eh!
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Post by spuds on Jun 15, 2010 4:25:35 GMT -6
Which Is why I am anti Nuclear.
All machines fail eventually,nothing is 100% safe.Imagine if this was a reactor that couldnt be controlled.And yes it can happen,has happened,and will continue to happen until you can make a 100% foolproof machine and thats never happened.
Horrible thing in the Gulf,but we need that oil.We also need enough regulation,enforced,so that there are plans to deal with a failure and clearly that was NOT the case here,because the chance of it happening is infinitesimal per BP and our lousy Bureaucrats let em slide on it.
Like most 'accidents' it took a lot of failures to create the situation we are now in.
I really fear this thing going total failure and the gulf being killed,who knows how much oil is in that pocket?
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Post by mogarden on Jun 15, 2010 6:18:56 GMT -6
I bet Red Adair could figger this out.
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Post by Pharmer Phil on Jun 15, 2010 6:53:37 GMT -6
I bet Red Adair could figger this out. I bet Red Adair could figger this out. I'd feel better if Red was still alive and involved in this clean up.. BP has brought in Red's successor though to work on the solution.. Here's a good Read: BP brings in Red Adair's successor to stop oil leakIf, there is one.. Looks damn bleak to me, for one, they are trying to capture/save the oil... not concerned with sealing it off.. which tells me, this IS a major pocket of oil, and they don't want to plug it at all, just find a way to collect it The US Army Corps of Engineers think the thing to do is dredge and re-channel the Mississippi to keep the oil out of the marsh lands...  I'm not sold on that plan either, yes it will possibly work to keep some oil out......but sealing the source is the only fix |
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Post by jerseycub on Jun 15, 2010 7:02:43 GMT -6
Red Adair has caped many run away wells in his time, but all of them have been above ground and not a mile under water like this one.
If you have seen the news coverage of the attempts to cut the casing and the piping you would have noticed that there is a bolted flange there. Problem is it's so deep they are not able to work at that depth without robotics, so it is imposable for them to unbolt the flange and attach a flanged valve to shut the system down.
I respectfully disagree that we need to drill for more and more oil in the offshore. What I feel we should be doing is developing the technology we all ready have in alternative energy, such as solar, wind, and other none fossil fuel sources.
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Post by spuds on Jun 15, 2010 8:19:13 GMT -6
I respectfully disagree that we need to drill for more and more oil in the offshore. What I feel we should be doing is developing the technology we all ready have in alternative energy, such as solar, wind, and other none fossil fuel sources. Man,you are preaching to the Spuds Choir on that one.Unfortunately we dont have a cohesive carved in stone plan to truly reduce our fossil energy needs.I will bet the true resource amt in Gulf oil is waaaaaay more than theyve ever let on,so we do need it,for now anyhow IMO,FWIW. A friend at homestead living has a hubby working the rigs,couple years ago all they were doing was drill,cap,drill,cap (They even ran out of capping supplies!) and it sounds like that is still true today.I just would like to see it done much more responsibly,with disaster tech equal to drilling tech,no shortcuts,etc. I think we could easily use renewable s for a good half of our energy consumption in a short relatively period of time,and a Manhattan style commitment could do it too.But money talks,and there is no more money in the WORLD than fossil fuels.IE,Oil soaked politicians taking bribes,they are all for sale,its just a matter of price IMO. Hey,we are making progress though,wind energy usage is flat out booming.And I think all new construction should require solar hot water,the payback on it is just too good.I cant understand why we dont do it,some countries live on it,Israel for example,it does truly work,and even in marginal areas it does save fossil fuel use. I think there is hope,but man is it ever painfully slow. Hey,my diesel truck can run on vegetable oil even....Hmmmm......time to shut down all those oil wells,LOL!  |
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Post by jerseycub on Jun 15, 2010 19:16:14 GMT -6
The only way to get off our dependency of Oil is to start seriously working on solar, hydro, geothermal, and wind turbine, sources of energy. AND slow the F....down on the roads travel less, make an honest effort to use less fuel not just talk about it. Since I have retired we have cut our fuel consumption to less then 1/3 of what it was. Including all other energy usage. It's not that hard and if anyone is seriously trying it will cut our dependency on other energy use. You talk about preaching to the Choir, brother I live it every day. I have cut my driving down to three maybe four times a month tops. We do no unnecessary driving. Back on subject. Did you listen to the presidents oval office speech tonight? As I have said. Close the barn doors Joe the horses just left. Joe Biden: We sure F-in showed the! Hey.  The blind leading the blind. What a sorry ass explanation to the people on his solution to a really F-up situation. |
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Post by jack on Jun 16, 2010 1:27:37 GMT -6
Gidday
What this world needs is less oil so that the big business oil companies will stop suppressing alternative fuels which are far better. Like water, H2O just the 2 most pure minerals needed to produce energy. Oil is known for its power in it's hydro carbons and there aint no power in the carbon, only the hydrogen andf then it still needs the oxygen Eh!
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Post by jerseycub on Jun 16, 2010 12:36:29 GMT -6
Now the president in a closed door cession today supposedly got BP to agree to a $20 billion escrow for the victims of this oil disaster. As if money is going to fix this problem. It's good for the voters next election.
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Post by spuds on Jun 16, 2010 15:57:40 GMT -6
Or that the 'little people' who lost their jobs,like restaurant workers,cab drivers,all the tourist dollars lost,will ever see 10 cents of it.
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Post by jerseycub on Jun 16, 2010 20:54:01 GMT -6
Hey spuds funny you use the word little people. That's the exact word the President of BP used today at a news conference, the people of Louisianian didn't appreciate that very much, can't say as I blame them either.
The oil is still pumping into the Gulf at about 1.5 million gallons a day and now the coast guard has stopped the locals from siphoning off the oil with there rigs until they can inspect them, which they say will take two weeks or more. Typical bureaucratic BS. It's just one thing after another. It's put so many fisherman out of work now and none have received a cent from BP. and it's been 57 days so far.
I agree we should be concentrating on getting this oil well plugged, and getting every bit of oil cleaned up first and then do the finger pointing thing. I can't wait to see how that turns out. Man I wish there was something physically that I could do for them.
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Post by spuds on Jun 16, 2010 21:55:04 GMT -6
Hey spuds funny you use the word little people. That's the exact word the President of BP used today at a news conference, the people of Louisianian didn't appreciate that very much, can't say as I blame them either. Yes,I saw that,why I used it.Supposedly Rollingstone magazine online has a big ole story about BP,let me get the link.They do really good investigative reporting. Im going to have to read this,its a biggy... www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/111965?RS_show_page=0 |
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Post by jack on Jun 17, 2010 3:30:25 GMT -6
Gidday
Aint it a bit soon to be putting a price on this when the bloody stuff is still spewing out. There could be ten time more oil in the ocean effecting a dozen countries before it stops.
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Post by jerseycub on Jun 18, 2010 6:15:22 GMT -6
Gidday Aint it a bit soon to be putting a price on this when the bloody stuff is still spewing out. There could be ten time more oil in the ocean effecting a dozen countries before it stops. Jack: How about running for president....you certainly have more understanding of the situation then he does. Exactly the point I was trying to make. This is just there lame ass way of trying to appease the little people who have no brain of there own to figure this out or understand how it works ( there opinion). Spuds: Ill read that article, but Ill tell ya I am getting sick of BP executives cocky ass statements. This is one of those situations were I would just like to grab one of these guys and shake the shit out of them. I better get a cup of coffee this morning it looks like ill be needing it.   |
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Post by spuds on Jun 18, 2010 6:46:23 GMT -6
Gidday Aint it a bit soon to be putting a price on this when the bloody stuff is still spewing out. There could be ten time more oil in the ocean effecting a dozen countries before it stops. Jack: How about running for president....you certainly have more understanding of the situation then he does. Exactly the point I was trying to make. This is just there lame ass way of trying to appease the little people who have no brain of there own to figure this out or understand how it works ( there opinion). Spuds: Ill read that article, but Ill tell ya I am getting sick of BP executives cocky ass statements. This is one of those situations were I would just like to grab one of these guys and shake the shit out of them. I better get a cup of coffee this morning it looks like ill be needing it. You get to that levell of CEO and you have a certain psychosis where its screw everyone,me and me alone is all that matters and they think they are Gods.And at the company they can act like one too.Ive seen low level management at hospitals think they are Gods! Pretty good article,surprised to see how free and loose BP plays things,and how corrupt the watchdog agencies are.After reading about how many 'accidents' BP has,far more than average,and referring to their refinery workers as PIGS,I have about had it with BP too! |
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Post by jack on Jun 19, 2010 3:21:11 GMT -6
Gidday Gidday Aint it a bit soon to be putting a price on this when the bloody stuff is still spewing out. There could be ten time more oil in the ocean effecting a dozen countries before it stops. Jack: How about running for president....you certainly have more understanding of the situation then he does. Exactly the point I was trying to make. This is just there lame ass way of trying to appease the little people who have no brain of there own to figure this out or understand how it works ( there opinion). I suppose I would qualify seein as I was born as close to there as he was. How about this for a scenario. At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself beneath the well head to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon.The intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole,allowing a direct unrestricted flow of oil etc.The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more oil to rise into the gulf. That is exactly what will probably happen iffin they don't stop it very soon. And then worse still, when it gets to blow the old casing out there will be no way of stoping it. That is not just one good oil well, but part of a huge field with many other wells in it, a reservoir of oil under the sea floor containg billions and billions of tons of oil. You may think the piddly little bit that has leaked out this far is a lot, well think again. There will be more than enough oil to get right out into the gulf stream currant and then possibly cover the whole Atlantic. Look at the images on TV of that oil, it is a reddy brown colour with a consistancy of congealed bloody. Funny, only the other day I had said that it had been written that a third of the oceans would be polluted as if with bloody, another sign, but our resident scientist poohooed the idea. Just thing this one through and that could easily effect a third of all our oceans because they are all linked. |
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Post by spuds on Jun 19, 2010 7:15:45 GMT -6
Yup,we may not have seen anything yet,this could be really really bad.
One of their Platforms is named Thunderhorse,because thats what the oil sounds like as it comes rushing out.The amts and the pressures and heat are unbelievable from these deep wells.That platform is capable of managing 500,000 barrels a day of oil and gas equivalent,I can only imagine what its total output would be in a catastrophic failure of the whole deposit.
A total breach and the damage is incomprehensible compared to what we have now,they are saying this is one of the 10 largest Gulf deposits known so far.
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Post by colorado on Jun 19, 2010 13:10:43 GMT -6
I have been reading you guys on this spill. It get scarier and scarier what you say. I do not have TV since the changed it here. As only had an old black and white that worked on the local stations okay. I thought I would wait to buy a set. This has got to be a BIG deposit. The pressure it has though that one hole.
When gas hit over $4 a gal I started going to city only once a month. I was not driving a lot but it still added up . I could get eggs, butter and bread at store here if needed but I had quit them as so high. Bread and eggs about same price at both. So I had cut my grocery bills too. I can remember WWII rationing. I try to do all the stuff the day I go to city.
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Post by Compost Pharmer on Jun 19, 2010 14:32:17 GMT -6
That's good Colorado. Here in Texas they are talking about raising the tax on gas because they are not collecting enough, do to everyone is using less. They are complaining that there is not enough to build new roads. We get penalized whether we conserve or use more. We need to get away from oil and gas and start using more renewable energy. My vote goes for hydrogen, which burns hotter and much cleaner. That way we can get our corn back for eating and not burning.
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Post by colorado on Jun 19, 2010 20:21:45 GMT -6
They doubled our license plate fees. Mine use to be $25 on each as old and this time was like $60 on each. NO idea now what on new things. I pay about $2.82 on gas mid grade now. When gas was so high here the station had a bunch of bouncing checks so they no longer take a check. She told me that was why. Lot of places here will not take checks. Colorado is broke.
My daughter said that about the utilility company. Use less and get charged more. They need X number of dollars. If you go over 500 KWH per month summers any over that they charge more. And as near as I can tell they are up on changes as I used less and cost me more. I am trying to cut $3 this time. Just one light and not run it nights. It has been on some as I went to sleep reading. I want to see if it does any good.
Here they are working on the oil shale but I have my doubts on it. This time it uses a lot of water it seems.
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Post by jack on Jun 21, 2010 3:06:25 GMT -6
Gidday
You aint wrong there mate.
I can tell you one thing for sure, it's not only those living up there that are worried about this disaster.
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Post by jerseycub on Jun 21, 2010 21:13:46 GMT -6
caveman: I have to say as I watched that piece on u-tube it brought tears to my eyes and made me think of that day in September 11 when everyone was glued to the TV watching the news of the Worlds trade center collapsing.
The people working on the clean up on the beaches and the marsh lands are brave soles that are risking there lives every day, they are exposed to the oil fumes and the oil itself.
We are witnessing a disaster far worse then 9/11. It really concerns me that there isn't more being done to stop this oil from flowing into the Gulf.
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Post by jack on Jun 22, 2010 2:14:18 GMT -6
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Post by spuds on Jun 22, 2010 8:46:42 GMT -6
We arent dealing with it,we are ignoring it and denying it.The media coverage of perhaps our worst ecological nightmare EVER is essentially non existent. Yet that alone is no surprise,so is our 'news' coverage of our 2 wars. Out of sight,out of mind.Thats how propaganda works in this day and age. IMO if you arent outraged by whats going on you need to A-Check your pulse,you may be dead B-You are brainwashed by propaganda media C-You have no social concious and need to return to your video game or other mind numbing lollipop D-I could go on and on you just dont get it,period. Thats my opinion on that,we are sheeple.As a Worldwide culture. Watch this,why can some schmuck put together in 7 minutes on youtube more pictures of devastation then Ive seen on the news and net combined and Im LOOKING for it? This is worth pulling up even with dialup if you want to see whats really happening,but i can skip the videogame repetitive background noise distraction.Great link Cavey. www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6W3YoisZ0oAnd the attitude its only a drop in the bucket doesnt fly with me.So is air pollution but the local effects can be devastating.Out of sight,out of mind doesnt fly. Or the attitude as long as it doesnt hit beaches all is OK,it isnt,the ecosystem is STILL being devastated in areas.It is NOT OK. Finally on this very long post,Yup,I support a drilling moratorium until this 'problem ' is fixed from top to bottom.Proper drilling tech that is capable of containing a spill,and proper Governmental licensing instead of rubber stamping permits as was done here.A LOT of corruption was at work in this spill,including cutting corners,ignoring safety,etc.From a company with over 700 violations in last 2 years while the total from all others COMBINED stands at TWO over the same period. Heads need to roll,Interior needs to be gutted and criminal charges need to be filed.There are plenty to go around,criminal in action and results.That should be a science department,not a political Hack job department for rewarding ex politicos without skill to head as a reward for party service.Without all the corruption that entails. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2010 11:37:09 GMT -6
Yes, yes how i agree with you spuds....and as far as sheeple......i have been sayin that for years  |
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